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Δημοσίευση από ventrix » 31 Μαρ 2003 21:15

tha ithela na matho ean aksizei na agoraso tin net (to agoraso einai sxetiko etsi? :) ) tora xreisimopeio tin enterprize version 6 kai eimai arketa euxaristimenos... Episis tha ithela na matho ean ola ta progs pou exo ftiaksei stin 6 tha douleuoun kanonika stin net... (perissotero visual basic)

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 21 Μάιος 2003 05:07

File ventrix,

Dystixos h platforma .NET den einai symbath me thn palioterh (Visual Studio 6). Blepeis exoun allaksei olh thn filosofia peri anaptykshs efarmogon (opos kanoun ka8e mhna alloste me ta proionta tous) kai 8a prepei na ksanagrapseis/sxediaseis ta programmata sou efoson epilekseis .NET

Prosfata diavasa kai gia thn 2rh genia .NET thn 2003, perissotera sthn mama Microsoft...

Ego 8a sou prothna na asxolh8eis me open source developing tools, opou kai 8a breis ekatontades poithka programmata kai documentation pou 8a se boh8hsoun na gineis kalyteros developer, apo to na epilekseis mia platforma pou ka8e 1 - 1.5 xronia allazei xoris na einai symbath pros ta piso...

Alh8eia ti efarmoges ftiaxneis?

Filika

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Δημοσίευση από agrippas » 21 Μάιος 2003 21:00

Δεν υπάρχει κανένα πρόβλημα με τα projects που έχεις φτιάξει στο Visual Studio 6. Ανοίγοντάς τα στο Visual Studio .NET η "αναβάθμιση" του κώδικα θα γίνει αυτόματα.

Μόνο οι δυναμικές .asp σελίδες δε μετατρέπονται αυτόματα σε .aspx, αλλά αυτό και πάλι δεν είναι πρόβλημα αφού εκτελούνται μια χαρα.

Τώρα στο αν αξίζει ή όχι να το αγοράσεις, ναι αξίζει ανεπιφύλακτα.

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 04 Ιουν 2003 06:17

Kalhspera,

prin apo merikous mhnes eixa ena project apo mia asfalistikh etairia...

Eixa sxediasei ena systhma to opoio synedee mia synxronh bash dedomenon me ena mainframe (dekaetias 80) pou xrhsimopoiousan gia na apo8hkeyoun ta data tous.

To proframa pou analambane na 'metafrasei' ta data apo Dos se kati pou na katalabainei to mainframe htan grammeno se VB6 (prin 3 xronia, peripou 30000 grammes kodika).

H etairia ekane upgrade se platforma .NET, opote yphrxan kapoia problhmata symbatothtas kai eprepe na ksanagrafei to programma se VB.NET (h8elan kai kapoia data na ta blepoun apo web)

Ti poio fysiko apo to na xrhsimopoihsoume ton upgrade wizard tou Visual Studio kai na kanoume upgrade to source pou eixame se VB6...

Alla olh h diadikasia stefthke me apotyxia!

Ksanaegrapsa ton kodika se C++ kai hremhsa. Tora den pane na allaksoun se oti platforma 8eloun (lol) emeis 8a hmaste symbatoi!

Isos se apla pramatakia o upgrade wizard na leitourgei, alla se syn8eta mapa to karpouzi...

Hdh sto emporio yparxoun programmata pou blepoun ean o kodikas sou 8a mporesei na metafrastei eykola.

Deite:
http://www.aivosto.com/project/vbnet.html

Diabase kai ayto apo microsoft gia peretero leptomeries:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/defau ... rating.asp


Gia to ean aksizei na asxolh8eis me .NET tora einai allo kefalaio.

Gia na agoraseis win2000 + .NET Enterprize (gia na mporeis na poulas tis efarmoges pou 8a dhmiourgeis nomima + Documentation/ekpaideysh ~= 2-3 ekatommyria

Ean exeis etaireia kai exei 3-4 developers pollaplasiase to parapano X 3...

H microsoft einai sxetika nea ston xoro paromoion lyseon kai sthn ousia gia na dhmiourghsei to .NET exei kataklepsei thn SUN (akoma sta dikastiria einai) kai antigrapsei IBM, SAP, ORACLE, pou htan protoporoi kata 5-6 xronia se paromoies platformes...

Opos eipa kai sto arxiko mou post asxolhsou me Open Source!

Kane egkatastash to Linux kai efoson se endiaferei h platforma .NET, ane kai des to Mono Project

http://www.go-mono.com/

to opoio einai h .NET platforma se Open Source, kai parata thn Micro$oft!
To opoio einai kai symbato me VB6 (lol)

Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από schrysan » 04 Ιουν 2003 12:16

To .NET problepo oti tha ginei open source se sxetiko bathmo gia na mporesei na synexisei pragmatika, blepe PHP ktl.

To MONO project einai arketa kalh prospathia tha elega. Den katalabaino giati les na parathsei kaneis thn MS afoy to MONO einai .NET.

To na xrhshmopoihseis to VS.NET gia na kaneis mia efarmogh apo to na th grapseis se kapoion aplo editor kai na th trejeis sto MONO einai to idio pragma...

An eisai .NET eisai .NET. Den exei sxesh h platforma.

Kai na deite oti se ligo tha bgei kai to C#Builder ths Borland kai kati moy leei oti mporei na bgei kai kana Linux support (giati h MS pote den tha bgalei gia Linux VS.NET h' kati allo) kai tha gelasei kai to pardalo katsiki :P

Pantos ego poy asxoloyme me .NET (teleftaia arxisa kai to pao laoy laoy, de biazomai oyte zo ap'ayto) pisteyo oti einai kalh ependysh gia to mellon an exeis ligo xrono na diatheseis.

Fysika gia efarmoges poy thes edo kai tora (blepe prohgoymeno message) mallon tha pas se kati allo, blepe C++.

Well,
Happy .NETting ... :)

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 04 Ιουν 2003 13:56

Kalhmera,

file princedom,

prepei na skefteis ligaki apo thn pleyra tou developer kai apo thn pleyra tou epixeirhmatia...

Loipon ego ego mia etairia me 100 ypallhlous, apo tous opoious oi 5 enai developers kai anaptysoun efarmoges gia esoterikh xrhsh sthn etaireia...

Gia na sthso olo to dyktio mou, nomima kai me oles tis adeies, xrhsimopoiontas lyseis microsoft (win2000 server kai win2000pro workstations, mail serves, database servers, application servers) xreiazomai gyro sta 25000000 - 35000000drx.

Exo ependysei loipon ayto to poso, kai xrhsimopoio visual studio 6 gia na ftiakso tis efarmoges mou...

Ephseis plhrono kai 1-2000000 ton mhna (isos kai parapano) gia texnikh yposthriksh sto software...

Pernane dyo oraia xronia, oi developers mou exoun ginei asteria sto visual studio 6, exoun oloklhrosei tis efarmoges... Kai na sou h microsoft platforma .NET

Pou shmainei alla tosa ekatommyria / an8ropoores gia na kano upgrade to infrastructure thn etaireias...

8a mou peis mhn to kaneis kai asto opos einai, ean se kalyptei. Omorfa! Ela omos pou h microsoft stamataei na sou kanei ypostiriksh ta proionta! Kai mia oraia mera brhskeis ena bug (pragma pou ginete poly syxna se polyplokes efarmoges), to opoio h microsoft den prokeite na dior8osei pote, dioti den ypostirizei to proion poia! Ara thn ekatses! Na to ftiakseis esy monos sou den mporeis, dioti to Vstudio einai closed source, ara klafta pou leme...

E fantasou oti tora ebgale ton kainourio server 2003, se dyo xronia ksanalazei olh h platforma windows kai paei legontas...

Edo einai pou to Open Source deinei resta pou leme.

Pare to MONO dorean, pare kai to source code tou, kanto customize etsi oste na kalyptei plhros tis anagkes sou kai mhn koitazeis microsoft ksana...

Problhma me bug? Kane ena post sto website kai isos pareis lysh se ores!

H epanastash einai sto linux kai oi poio megales etaireies ependyoun adra ekei (h IBM prosfata ependyse 1 dys dolaria)...


Kai kati allo, apo to na exeis to .NET peiratiko kai na peiramatizese, dokimase to MONO project, ma8e, peiramatisou, ftiakse oti den sou aresei kalytero kai prosfere to sthn koinothta...

Pistepse me oti h antamoibh pou perneis einai poio eyxaristh apo ola ta lefta tou kosmou...

Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από schrysan » 04 Ιουν 2003 14:31

Na ypotheso oti eseis to gyrenate se open source genika?

Na rotiso kai kati allo ... an ta pragmata einai opos ta les, giati akoma yparxei h microsoft? Den thelo na anoijo flame edo alla mazi me ta yper mhpos prepei na leme kai ta kata?

De to leo gia na po oti eimai yper ths MS h' otidhpote teteio alla h MS exei ena kalo: integration, poy efoson doyleyetai VS6 kai exeis anthropoys gnostes tha prepei na blepete apo proto xeri ti ginete otan pas sto open source poy, oxi oti den einai kalo, o kathenas (blepe kathe developer ekei ejo sto net) kanei ta dika toy ...

Tha po oti eimai yper toy linux kai toy open source se kapoia pragmata opos apache,mysql,php alla ektos aytoy de mporo na po oti exo dei kati allo pragmatika ajiologo.

Alloste oloi agapane to open source giati glitonoyne lefta kyrios kai oxi giati einai ayto kath'ayto open source ...

Me dyo logia, kata th gnomh moy, an to blepeis oikonomika nai symferei, an to blepeis apo development (integration, .net framework, etc) de nomizo oti mporei na soy dosei polla ... toylaxiston oxi akoma. Pisteyo oti o programmatisths thelei na kanei th doyleia toy, oxi na ksanagrafei ola ta classes apo thn arxh, koinos na efeyrei ton troxo jana kai jana. Sto .NET soy dinete ayth h dynatothta pisteyo.

Pali, gia na leo kai ta pragmata me t'onoma toys, den eimai kai eidikos, oyte ergazomai epaggelamtika san programmatisths. (koinos mh me parete me tis petres :P)

P.S. Exeis kapoio link gia thn etairia poy ergazesai? An thes mporeis na moy to sthleis me private message ... periergia blepeis :D

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Δημοσίευση από Cha0s » 04 Ιουν 2003 18:45

Pantos se ena prosfato test pou kaname sto panephstimio, egkatasthsame apache2 kai sto cgi anti gia php xrhsimopoihsame c++ compiled kodika...
(Ayto einai apo allo sou post...)
To erotima mou einai to exis:

Eisai akoma sto panepistimio kai exeis kai eteria me 100 ypalilous kai exeis ependisei 35 ekatomiria drs ?

Einai ligo eksopragamtika ayta pou les gia ta dika mas dedomena...

Sorry pou sto leo ayto alla me ebales se periergia :)

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 04 Ιουν 2003 19:23

(Ayto einai apo allo sou post...)
To erotima mou einai to exis:

Eisai akoma sto panepistimio kai exeis kai eteria me 100 ypalilous kai exeis ependisei 35 ekatomiria drs ?

Einai ligo eksopragamtika ayta pou les gia ta dika mas dedomena...

Sorry pou sto leo ayto alla me ebales se periergia
Edo mesa den mporo na katalabo ean diabazete prosexthka ta post, h rixnete mia matia sta feygata kai teleiose bgalate symperasma...

Sto poio pano post milao ypo8etika gia to poso pou xreiazete peipipou mia mesh ellhnikh etairia gia na ependysh se platforma .NET

Oson afora to panephstimio kai thn ergasia mou, to 2000 ekana thn praktikh mou se mia apo tis megalyteres etairies tou xorou sthn ellada kai ta teleytaia 3 1/2 xronia parameno ekei san mhxanikos logismikou...

Pente mhnes ton xrono briskomai sthn etairia kai tous ypolipous sto panephstimio, opou kai synexizo na ergazomai se projects pou exoume me agglous pelates.

Exo sxediasei systhmata gia megales epixhrhseis me skopo na exoun pano apo 1000 xrhstes taytoxrona kai parallhla eimai pistopihmenos apo thn IBM se database systems (sthn ellada yparxoun 5 atoma aythn thn stigmh katoxoi tou anoterou stadiou ths poistopihshs)...

Den perimeno na akouso mpravo apo kanenan sas, apla symboulh mou einai na ksefygete apo ayto to pseytoweb programming kai asxolh8hte me sobaro programmatismo!

Ma8ete c, c++ kai ftiaktse mia dikh sas glossa (ptyxiakh mou ergasia) kai meta ta ksanaleme!

Ptyxiakh gia to metaptyxiako mou sxediasa kai ilopoihsa ena systhma gia to NHS ( to antistoixo IKA ths agglias), to opoio 8a poulh8ei 100000 lires!

Piaste enan spectrum kai ma8ete arxitektonikh ypologiston, ma8ete assembly!

Ftiakste kana driver syskevhs gia ta windows (apo to 98-00 egrafa drivers gia microcontrollers, etsi oste na synergazontai me dos/win)

Grafte kodika gia to linux (prosfero energa ta teleytaia xronia se dyo projects)

Kai tote 8a eisaste programmers...

Prospa8hsa na po 5 pramata gia thn ellhnikh agora (pou zhtaei/parakalaei synexeia gia kalous programmers) alla den 8elete na akousete...

Ean eiste dynatoi programmers peite mou kai 8a exete douleia se merikes ebdomades! Hdh to tmhma mas 8a megalosei kata 5-6 atoma!
kserete apo pou tous pernoume? Apo eksoteriko, giati sthn elladitsa oloi einai kseroles programmers!

Em bebaia elate gia interview kai otan 8a sas poune exo ayto to programma, pos mporo na to kano na exei poio beltisth xrhsh ths mnhmhs, giati 8a prepei na exo 100ades xrhstes ston server, eseis 8a koitate to ntabani!

Apanthste kai 8a pernete 1500 euro ton mhna toulaxiston, den apantate ante ftiakste kana website h stiste kamoia etairia hosting pou einai kai ths modas poia!



Sygnomh gia to mege8os, apla ekneyristika... Ti allo prepei na kanoume gia na grafoume se ena forum, na stelnoume biografika ston admin kai na leme dose mas asterakia sto onoma mas?



Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από schrysan » 04 Ιουν 2003 19:50

File Christo,
Isos tha htan kalo na doseis merika stoixeia apo to poy n'arxisei kaneis. Etsi tha mporoysane na se katalaboyne kalytera.

Filika,
Stefanos

P.S. C++ den jero kai den problepo na matho. Eimai katadikasmenos? Diabazo omos C# :)

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Δημοσίευση από schrysan » 04 Ιουν 2003 19:52

BTW, poia h gnomh soy gia ta diafora pistopoihtika toy xoroy? (Kati gia pistopoihsh apo IBM eipes gi'ayto piastika apo ekei ...)

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Δημοσίευση από tsiger » 04 Ιουν 2003 20:53

Ray έγραψε: apla symboulh mou einai na ksefygete apo ayto to pseytoweb programming kai asxolh8hte me sobaro programmatismo!

Ma8ete c, c++ kai ftiaktse mia dikh sas glossa (ptyxiakh mou ergasia) kai meta ta ksanaleme!
giati theoreis ton programmatismo sto web asteio kai oxi sovaro? giati ton ferneis se antiparathesi me ton programmatismo efarmogwn? ef oswn sou aresei auto to kommati asxolisou kai ase to allo kommati isixo. kai to web exei xrimata kai polla malista.

Kai sto web yparxoune erarmoges pou kostizoune merika ekatomiria lires mias kai aneferes to NHS mias kai eixa ti tyxh na eimai melos anapti3is tou diktiakou topou tou ypourgeiou pou se spoudazei. Mhn ta kanoume ola isa loipon. nta3ei ola exoune ta yper kai ta kata tous.

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Δημοσίευση από Cha0s » 04 Ιουν 2003 20:56

Ouaaa!!

Arakse megale!
Apo pou na arxiso kai pou na teleioso!

Basika epidi den exo oreksi na grafo...

me osa les dixneis ena eidos komplex (sorry kiolas alla etsi to pira.. mporei na eiami kai lathos).
Entaxei xereis 5 pragmata. Megeia sou kai xara sou.

Se kamia periptosi den mporeis omos na les oti epidi kapoioi asxolountai me web programming den axizei. Etsi opos to etheses einai san na mas les ego xero c, c++ ktl kai epidi eseis xerete PHP eiste axristoi...
Episis den nomizo kapia apo ta megalitera projects sto web pou kapoioi apo ayta bgazoun dis na ofeiletai se pseytowebprogramming...

me to ti asxoleitai o kathenas einai diko tou thema.
Den eiani oloi to idio oute tous aresoun se olous to idio kapia pragmata.
Den mporeis na mas ypodikseis an tha grapsoume drivers i an tha grapsoume dikia mas glossa programatismou (pou tha paei kai xameni kata tin gnomi mou)

Opa coolare!...

Mporei apantontas opos les na pernoume 1500 euro ton mina kai an den apantisoume na ftiaxoume kana site...

Otan asxolisai sosta kai psaxnesai me to thema tou webdesign kai webprogramming mporeis se ligotero apo ena mina na teleioseis douleia pou tha sou apoferei polla perisotera apo 1500 euro kai den tha koitas to tabani...
Kai etsi opos to les to thema me to "tha koitate to tabani" dixneis oti esi eisai o xerolas kai emeis den exoume idea apo tipota...
Den xereis kanenos tis gnoseis edo kai den mporeis etsi emesa na mas prosvaleis.

me to thema ton asterion tora..
an ennoeis ta kiklakia pou einai kato apo to nickname kathenos mas diavase kalitera gia to pos einai ta rankings tou forum na deis pos pernoume ta 'asteria'.

An einai yponnooumeno gia kapious moderator (mazi me mena) tote den mporo na apantiso... as apantisoun oi 3 admins tou forum gia ta kritiria epilogis...

Telika eipa den eixa oreksi na grapso alla eriksa kai ego ta katebata mou...

Kai gia na min xanaginoun pareksigiseis na eisai pio safis dioti se ayto pou egrapses :
Ray έγραψε:Loipon ego ego mia etairia me 100 ypallhlous, apo tous opoious oi 5 enai developers kai anaptysoun efarmoges gia esoterikh xrhsh sthn etaireia...
Den dilonei pouthena oti eferes kapio paradeigma...
Den tha mirisoume kai ta nixia mas gia na doume ti ennoei o kathenas...

Filika Baggelis

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Δημοσίευση από iNDEFiX » 04 Ιουν 2003 21:47

File Ray,
Edo mesa den mporo na katalabo ean diabazete prosexthka ta post, h rixnete mia matia sta feygata kai teleiose bgalate symperasma...
Alloi prosextika alloi oxi. Apo oso gnorizo ta atoma pou eimaste se afth thn sizitish diavazoume para poli kala to kathe post.
Oson afora to panephstimio kai thn ergasia mou, to 2000 ekana thn praktikh mou se mia apo tis megalyteres etairies tou xorou sthn ellada kai ta teleytaia 3 1/2 xronia parameno ekei san mhxanikos logismikou...
Opos? Ferne kapoio paradigma... logia xoris apodikseis einai askopa otan milas se kapoia atoma pou den gnorizoume to adikeimeno asxolias sou
Pente mhnes ton xrono briskomai sthn etairia kai tous ypolipous sto panephstimio, opou kai synexizo na ergazomai se projects pou exoume me agglous pelates.
Einai sxedon adinaton na exeis mia etairia 100+ atomwn kai na pernas tous 7 mhnes makria apo afthn.
Den perimeno na akouso mpravo apo kanenan sas, apla symboulh mou einai na ksefygete apo ayto to pseytoweb programming kai asxolh8hte me sobaro programmatismo!
Apo emena tha akouseis bravo mono an do ti exeis ftiaksei kai an afto kanei sosta thn douleia pou prepei na kanei.
Ma8ete c, c++ kai ftiaktse mia dikh sas glossa (ptyxiakh mou ergasia) kai meta ta ksanaleme!
Den einai anagh na mathei kapoios c, c++ gia na ftiaksei ena application pou apetei mia pio aplh kai eyxrhsth glossa. Episis giati na na ftiakseis dikh sou glossa kai na xaseis ta xronia sou afou yparxoun hdh 20+ glosses gia na kaneis idikotera afto pou theleis.
Piaste enan spectrum kai ma8ete arxitektonikh ypologiston, ma8ete assembly!


Eisai para poly ypervolikos. Kammia sxesh h assembly me ton spectrum
Grafte kodika gia to linux (prosfero energa ta teleytaia xronia se dyo projects)
Mhn eisai apolytos se kati. O kathenas oti ton volevei. Kai eimai fanatikos tou Linux alla den tha elega pote se kapoion na kanei se kodika linux mia efarmogh gia windows.
Ptyxiakh gia to metaptyxiako mou sxediasa kai ilopoihsa ena systhma gia to NHS ( to antistoixo IKA ths agglias), to opoio 8a poulh8ei 100000 lires!
Kamia sxesh to NHS (National Health Service) me to IKA (Idrima Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn). Mallon mperdeveis polla pragmata. Ti sistima sxediases kai tha poulithei 50.000.000 drx? H ptyxiakh sou einai h "nea glossa" pou eftiakses i to NHS Application?
Pou shmainei alla tosa ekatommyria / an8ropoores gia na kano upgrade to infrastructure thn etaireias... ktl ktl
Pes mou pia etairia exeis, pios eisai kai poso xronwn eisai. An theleis mporeis na mou ta stileis se private message se periptosh pou den theleis na ta parousiaseis public. Diapistonontas oti eisai aftos pou les tha mporo na paro sta sovara kai afta pou les. Os tote eisai enas apo tous dekades ellines blablades pou akouo kathimerina kai nomizoun pos einai oi theoi tou programatismou.


PS: mexri tora symfona me ta legomena sou:

- asxolise me linux
- .net + VS
- ftiaxneis drivers gia windows
- exeis MS Products gia thn etairia sou alla eisai fanatikos tou Open S.
- kaneis test se apache2
- eisai mhxanikos logismikou se ena panepistimio (oute kan eipes se pio)
- eisai se projects me agglous
- exeis ISO apo thn IBM
- exeis ftiaksei dikia sou glossa (pia?) gia ptyxiakh sto agnosto panepistimio
- exeis ftiaksei application gia to NHS
- exeis trela lefta kai mia etairia me 100+ atoma dynamiko
- ktl ktl

Mhpos ta parales? kai oxi ligo... para poly.

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