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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Enigma » 16 Ιουν 2003 17:01

Ωραία ...
Ειπώθηκαν αρκετές γνώμες και δόθηκαν αρκετές πληροφορίες!

Και ένα ακόμα ... όπως έχουμε δει αρκετές μεγάλες εταιρίες έχουν προσλάβει μεγάλους Hackers για τον έλεγχο και προστασία των συστημάτων τους ...
(Εφόσον βέβαια δεν έχουν κάνει αξιόποινες πράξεις) ... ενώ τους Crackers μάλλον όλοι θα τους κυνηγούν !!

Οπότε οι γνώσεις που αποχτάει ένας Hacker μιας και στηρίζονται στην λειτουργία του Hardware και του Software σίγουρα μπορούν να φανούν χρήσιμες ...
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Δημοσίευση από greekbytes » 16 Ιουν 2003 17:09

Rapid-eraser έγραψε: giati afto to kolima me tous ipologistes ???
8es va giveis hacker paloukari mou ???
bale mia sompa va psivei kafe
kavto afto kai eisai o protos hacker
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Δημοσίευση από iNDEFiX » 16 Ιουν 2003 22:02

giati afto to kolima me tous ipologistes ???
8es va giveis hacker paloukari mou ???
bale mia sompa va psivei kafe
kavto afto kai eisai o protos hacker
Thelo na gino kafetzou! XAXAXAXAX :kaloe:

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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Ray » 17 Ιουν 2003 04:24

Merikes parathrhseis gia ayta pou egrapsan kapoioi filoi parapano...

Ston indefix

indefix:
Exo thn edyposh pos esy eisai ligaki adiavasth mias kai ta MME asxolounte para poli me to Open Source kai to ipostirizoun akradanta. Den 3ero apo pou vgazeis afta ta symperasmata... pantos den einai sosta. Sorry kiolas alla lete oti na nai re pedia. Epidi to leei mia selida i ena vivlio pou to exei grapsei enas feygatos typos? Den einai etsi...
Exo mia aplh erothsh, epano anafer8hkes sthn simone kai eipes oti ta MME asxolountai poly me to Open Source kai malista to ipostisrizoun kai akradanta...

Pes mou se parakalo, kykloforei sthn Ellada kapoio periodiko tou idikou typou (plhroforikhs) pou na exei kanei anafora se linux kai na to ypostiririzei kiolas?

Pera apo kana ar8ro ths plakas apo to RAM (pou to 8eoro aparadekto periodiko anyway), ego den exo diabasei gia linux pou8ena allou... (ante kai sto PC mag kana ar8raki...)

Epestrepsa apo Agglia prin mia ebdomada kai akoma den exo kataferei na entopiso periodiko pou na asxoleite me Open Source sthn patrida mas(eimai hdh syndromiths sta poly kala Linux User&Developer kai Linux Format sthn Agglia)...


Ston filo Cha0s tora,

Cha0s:
Diladi Ray kanontas ola ayta tha ginei Hacker/Cracker (parte opio sas boleyei... min arxisete pali tis theories...) ?

Einai san na leme,

Pare ena enisxiti, kantona bides kai ksanadeston...

Tha matheis pote pos leitourgei o enisxitis an den analiseis to kikloma tou ?

Mporei na exeis gnoseis ilektronikis alla an den analiseis to kikloma den tha katalaveis pos leitourgei (kathe kikloma exei tis idiotropies tou)...
Den eipa na kanei ton ypologisth bides!!!!!!

Eipa na diabasei gia arxitektonikh tou systhmatos kai pos syndeetai kai antallasei data to CPU me tis periferiakes syskeyes!!!

Efoson katalabei ton tropo leitourgias ton yposysthmaton, 8a katalabei eykolotera na ta programatizei...


Kai synexizeis:
Mathenei ta xilia midia alla kai ti tha ginei stin teliki ?
Ante to poli na ginei Network Administrator (xoris xartia) kapou epidi xerei apexo kai anakatota TCP/IP kai ta sxetika...

To TCP, IP kai UDP einai protocolla epikoinonias pou den prokeite na allaksoun pote logo kostous...

Sxediastikan me skopo na metaferoun aksiopista (oxi asfales) data (spasmena se paketakia) metaksy ypologiston...

Efoson kapoios gnorizei ton tropo leitourgias tous, einai fysiko na gnorizei kai ti adynamies exei..

Gia paradeigma as doume to ipspoofing...

Einai loipon dynaton na kaneis epi8eseis typou ipspoofing, efoson gnorizeis apo poia merh apotelite ena paketaki etsi oste na mporeis na 'metabeleis' ayta pou se bolyboun sthn ekastoth epi8esh...

Oso gia thn ergasiakh tou poreia, pragmatika den yparxoun oria...

Rota filous sou pou einai mhxanikoi dyktion kai mhxanikoi ypologiston ean mporoune me C++ (h opoiadhpote allh glossa), na ftiaksoune ena paketaki kai na to steiloun se enan allo ypologisth...

Amfibalo ean ena 5% apanthsoun 8etika...

Se plhroforo oti sthn ellhnikh agora, oi poio poloi programmatistes/network admins einai fysikoi/ma8hmatikoi kai an8ropoi asxetoi me to antikeimeno...

Den eixan kapoio xarti apo ekseidikeymenh sxolh, alla eixan to meraki ths ma8hshs...

Ayta...

Den 8a asxolh8o allo me to 8ema tou pos mporei na ginei kapoios 'hacker'...

Den eiste arketa orimoi (orismenoi) oute na syzhthsete gia to 8ema, alla den stamatate ekei, hroneyeste kai apo pano....

Exo arketa biblia (logo spoudon kai ergasias ston xoro), opoios filos 8elei na asxolh8ei me thn 'texnh' ton ypologiston (giati hacker legete kapoios me ba8ies gnoseis sto antikeimeno kai oxi oti prostazei to holywood), as steilei private message gia synexia ths syzhthshs....


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Δημοσίευση από Cha0s » 17 Ιουν 2003 05:58

Ray έγραψε: Den eipa na kanei ton ypologisth bides!!!!!!

Eipa na diabasei gia arxitektonikh tou systhmatos kai pos syndeetai kai antallasei data to CPU me tis periferiakes syskeyes!!!

Efoson katalabei ton tropo leitourgias ton yposysthmaton, 8a katalabei eykolotera na ta programatizei...
You know what your problem is ? Pianesai apo lexeis. Xaneis to noima kai arxizeis ta katebata gia na apodixeis oti xereis kati parapano.
Ego efera ena paradeigma apo allo xoro (oxi tis pliroforikis) kai esi mou les gia to an tha kanei bides to PC... asxeto telios.. den epiases kan to noima ayton pou eipa (kai den tha katso na to exigiso..)

Ray έγραψε:To TCP, IP kai UDP einai protocolla epikoinonias pou den prokeite na allaksoun pote logo kostous...
Trust me... To Protokolo IP tha allaxei... (Oute ayto to exigo.. efoson eisai toso enimeromenos tha xereis giati kai pos tha allaxei...)
Ray έγραψε:Efoson kapoios gnorizei ton tropo leitourgias tous, einai fysiko na gnorizei kai ti adynamies exei..
Den to efeses etsi sto allo sou post.
Ray έγραψε:Gia paradeigma as doume to ipspoofing...

Einai loipon dynaton na kaneis epi8eseis typou ipspoofing, efoson gnorizeis apo poia merh apotelite ena paketaki etsi oste na mporeis na 'metabeleis' ayta pou se bolyboun sthn ekastoth epi8esh...
....kati anefera oti prospatheis na mas peiseis gia kati.... :hammer:

Ray έγραψε:Rota filous sou pou einai mhxanikoi dyktion kai mhxanikoi ypologiston ean mporoune me C++ (h opoiadhpote allh glossa), na ftiaksoune ena paketaki kai na to steiloun se enan allo ypologisth...

Amfibalo ean ena 5% apanthsoun 8etika...
Amfibalo an pote tha ftaseis sto 5% tous filous mou pou asxolountai me ypologistes Mr. wise ass me ton tropo pou skeftesai.

Ray έγραψε:Se plhroforo oti sthn ellhnikh agora, oi poio poloi programmatistes/network admins einai fysikoi/ma8hmatikoi kai an8ropoi asxetoi me to antikeimeno...
Merikoi apo tous kaliterous kathigites pliroforikis pou eixa itan mathimatikoi me metekpedeysi. Kai pollous apo tous kaliterous tou eidous itan kai aytoi mathimatikoi...
Opote den nomizo na einai kai toso asxetoi. Oi ypologistes leitourgoun me mathimatika opote einai pio sxetikoi apolous mas.
Ray έγραψε:Den eiste arketa orimoi (orismenoi) oute na syzhthsete gia to 8ema, alla den stamatate ekei, hroneyeste kai apo pano....
Ayto na to krinoun oi apekso.. na doume pios eiani pio orimos. Einai 2h fora pou mas prosvaleis kai mas ypobibazeis emas tous 'orismenous'.


An exeis na mou apantiseis kati prosopika se mena steile PM. Den xreiazetai na diavazei o kosmos pragmata pou den exoun sxesi me to topic...

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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Ray » 17 Ιουν 2003 07:43

File cha0s, 8a apanthso edo kai oxi se private message, efoson apo thn arxh tou topic den prosferes kati sto 8ema pos mporei kapoios na ginei hacker....

Eipes:
You know what your problem is ? Pianesai apo lexeis. Xaneis to noima kai arxizeis ta katebata gia na apodixeis oti xereis kati parapano.
Ego efera ena paradeigma apo allo xoro (oxi tis pliroforikis) kai esi mou les gia to an tha kanei bides to PC... asxeto telios.. den epiases kan to noima ayton pou eipa (kai den tha katso na to exigiso..)
Otan milame gia plhroforikh, na syzhtas gia plhroforikh kai na ferneis paradeigmata mesa apo thn plhroforikh...

Ta 'katebata' pou onomazeis einai h skepseis mou epano sto antikeimeno... Sto proto post ekana ena sxediagramma diabasmatos kai sto deytero apla ebala kapoia pragmatakia sthn 8esh tous...

h dikia sou gnomh epano sto topic poia einai cha0s?

synexizeis me:
Trust me... To Protokolo IP tha allaxei... (Oute ayto to exigo.. efoson eisai toso enimeromenos tha xereis giati kai pos tha allaxei...)
To protocolo IP (pou briskete sthn ekdosh IPv4 tora) den 8a allaksei se tropo leitourgias, apla anti na dior8o8oun ta la8h tou IPv4, 8a proste8oun perissoteres dynatothtes sthn epomenh ekdosh...(IPv6)!

Ena allo 8ema tou IP einai to oti teleionoun kai oi dia8eshmes dieu8ynseis IP pou exoume kai xreiazomaste perissoteres...

Synexizeis:
Ray wrote:
Gia paradeigma as doume to ipspoofing...

Einai loipon dynaton na kaneis epi8eseis typou ipspoofing, efoson gnorizeis apo poia merh apotelite ena paketaki etsi oste na mporeis na 'metabeleis' ayta pou se bolyboun sthn ekastoth epi8esh...

....kati anefera oti prospatheis na mas peiseis gia kati....
Efera ena paradeigma, den prospa8o na se piso gia kati...
Ray wrote:
Rota filous sou pou einai mhxanikoi dyktion kai mhxanikoi ypologiston ean mporoune me C++ (h opoiadhpote allh glossa), na ftiaksoune ena paketaki kai na to steiloun se enan allo ypologisth...

Amfibalo ean ena 5% apanthsoun 8etika...

Amfibalo an pote tha ftaseis sto 5% tous filous mou pou asxolountai me ypologistes Mr. wise ass me ton tropo pou skeftesai.
Den apanthses sthn erothsh mou omos, rota tous prota kai ta ksanaleme....

Pistepse me oti aythn thn stigmh synergazomai me thn 'afrokrema' ton mhxanikon pou yparxoun sthn ellhnikh agora...

To xeirotero pou eipes:
Ray wrote:
Se plhroforo oti sthn ellhnikh agora, oi poio poloi programmatistes/network admins einai fysikoi/ma8hmatikoi kai an8ropoi asxetoi me to antikeimeno...

Merikoi apo tous kaliterous kathigites pliroforikis pou eixa itan mathimatikoi me metekpedeysi. Kai pollous apo tous kaliterous tou eidous itan kai aytoi mathimatikoi...
Opote den nomizo na einai kai toso asxetoi. Oi ypologistes leitourgoun me mathimatika opote einai pio sxetikoi apolous mas.

Ksanades ti egrapsa...
Se plhroforo oti sthn ellhnikh agora, oi poio poloi programmatistes/network admins einai fysikoi/ma8hmatikoi kai an8ropoi asxetoi me to antikeimeno...

Den eixan kapoio xarti apo ekseidikeymenh sxolh, alla eixan to meraki ths ma8hshs...

Diabaze poio prosektika please, prin me prosbaleis kai krineis thn gnomh mou...


Kai telos:

Ray wrote:
Den eiste arketa orimoi (orismenoi) oute na syzhthsete gia to 8ema, alla den stamatate ekei, hroneyeste kai apo pano....

Ayto na to krinoun oi apekso.. na doume pios eiani pio orimos. Einai 2h fora pou mas prosvaleis kai mas ypobibazeis emas tous 'orismenous'.


An exeis na mou apantiseis kati prosopika se mena steile PM. Den xreiazetai na diavazei o kosmos pragmata pou den exoun sxesi me to topic...

Se ayto to 8ema grapsate posts tesseris moderators:

cdhyper, indefix, cha0s kai greekbytes

BRES ENA POST POU KANATE OLOI SAS SXETIKO ME TO TOPIC!!!

Mono hronia kai pali hronia...

An nomizeis oti se prosbalo esena prosopika, ksanadiabase apo thn arxh to topic kai pes mou eseis oi moderators ti PROSFERATE STHN SYZHTHSH??????

Sou ta leo ayta sto forum kai oxi se PM, giati APAITO na mou peis ti prosferate sto 8ema???


Prosopika me anagkasate na mhn parousiaso kai bibliografia, gia kapoious pou endiaferontai na ma8oun (esto kai to ti shmainei o oros 'hacker'), dioti geliopoihsate to 8ema...


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Δημοσίευση από iNDEFiX » 17 Ιουν 2003 10:47

Ray exei oraio kairo ekso... den pas gia kanena kafe?

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Δημοσίευση από Rapid-eraser » 17 Ιουν 2003 11:00

makroskeles to post mou eivai , va to diabaseis oxi av exeis skopo va kaveis flame
(psss blepw poli star wars kai me kolise o kovtoulis prasivos)

Ray xalarose giati kikloforouv kai eggefalika
kai me tov 8imo pou koubalas eisai pavo pavo stiv lista

mporo va sou pw me bebeotitas oti to olo post gevikotera
dev exei vonma kati pou to katalabave oi "moderators"
gia va miv sou pw kai oloi mas kai apla avti va pouve
paidia to thread afto klivei gia euvontous logous apla eipave
va trabiksouve allou tnv prosoxi sto 8ema mexri va bare8ite
kai va to paratisete... eutixos iparouv arketi 8ermokefaloi
kai to sivtirouv.

kai gia va se prolabw va miv apavtiseis sou eksigo oti erotiseis
tou stylle pos 8a givo prezovi dev apavtaei kavevas poso malov
pos va givo hacker . Av kai n apavtisti sto giati oxi dev sou leme
eivai profavns egw 8a stnv pw gia va sou figei n aporia.

Hacker dev givese ... se ovomazouv hacker . kai afto giati dev givese
au8evtia se kati aftoapokalovtas tov eafto sou alla otav blepei kapoios
tnv douleia sou se ovomazei au8evtia. ksereis kai to allo ? pos va apavtisoume
emeis oi "karmirides" gia to pos va giveis hacker otav oi idioi dev kseroume
ti 8a paei hacking . a vai va miv ksexasw akousame mia leksi idame kai eva
episodio tou "hackers" kai poro8ikame me tis diastimikes eikavotites tis trinity pou trexei sploits kai troei mixavimata se dt xrovo . 8a mpo8ikame
apo tov oro linux "to os twv hacker" opos vomizouv oi perisoteroi ... e oxi
ftavi pia aftn n laspi . va kse8arisoume kati hacker dev givese apo monos sou alla apo to poli poli ama ksekiviseis apo afti tnv logiki va katavtiseis
eva klasiko lameraki pou apilei tous pavtes kai ta pavta giati exei ta cone
me tov souido kai tou divei ta exploits ka8e paraskebi apo to irc me avtalagi
evos fake ....
vai vai ola givovte gia tnv divami giati meta givese o ipertatos bully pou kserei
kai apilei oti 8a sou faei to mixavima giati exei to tade exploit kai stnv ali8ivi zon to mono pou mporei va kavei eivai va gelaei irovika kai va pistebei oti eivai kapios

afto dev eivai hacker afto eivai script kidy kai to mono pou 8a kafaferei eivai
va ftiaksei mia klika kai va tnv ovomasei hacker-group kai va troei kata sira mixavimata kai va xerete
giati eivai telios hacker kai grafei tov trelo kodika .

oxi oxi oxi miv katseis va asxoli8eis me afto to pragma pistebeis oti to hacking eivai va mpeis stou alouvou to pc kai va kaveis zimia ??? Aftos o
oros exei pareksigi8ei evtelos kai exei xasei tnv ousia tou 8ematos .
Av vomizeis oti sou aresei va diabazeis ka8e mera ta posts apo ta diafora
newsgroup kai va kse8abeis ta erratas n ta notices gia pi8ava warrings gia
buffer's overflow kai gevikotera gia pasis fisis exploitia nte eivai epikodomitiki n oxi movo kako stov eafto sou 8a kaveis.

8a stamatiseis va kaveis oti kaveis mexri twra kai 8a asxolise mono me afto
ase pou stnv diadromi 8a sivavtiseis kai allous pou to kavouv afto . merikoi
8a givouv filoi sou alloi 8a givouv ex8risou kai allous 8a tous exeis gia ta mpaza
afto 8es va kaveis stnv zon sou ??? afto pistebeis oti eivai to hacking ???

give file mou hacker av vomizeis oti eivai afto to hacking kai 8a to metavioseis amesa ... 8es va akolou8iseis tov sosto dromo kai va sivexiseis
va spoudazeis afto pou 8es va spoudaseis kai av afto eivai mixavologia
va ma8eis va kaveis hackeries pavo stis mixaves gia va kavouv trela pragmata
kai va eisai trelos hacker kavto ma8e diabase ROTA ...



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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 17 Ιουν 2003 12:29

Agaphtoi filoi,

8elo na balo kapoia pramata sthn 8esh tous....

File Indefix,

Den mou apanthses sthn erothsh mou...

Efoson eisai Linux-as epaggelmatias, parapano ypostirikses oti olos o typos kai ta MME 'agapane' to Open Source (sthn simone)...

POUNTOS AYTOS O EIDIKOS TYPOS RE FILE?

DOSE MOU ONOMATA PERIODIKON EDO STHN ELLADA POY TO YPOSTIRIZOUN AYTO!

H ayth h erothsh einai 'yperano' tou moderator indefix?


File Rapid-eraser,

Katarxhn den eimai 8ymomenos, apla e8esa kapoia erothmata poio epano kai kaneis den ta apantaei...

Diabasa prosextika ta logia sou, alla fenetai oti esy den exeis diabasei olo to topic apo thn arxh...

Dino thn ermhnia gia thn leksh 'hacker' pou egrapsa sto proto mou post:
O oros hacker protodhmiourgh8hke gia na perigrapsei tis diafores farses pou skeftontan (kai ekanan) oi foithtes tou MIT thn dekaetia tou 50...

Argotera o oros phre thn telikh tou morfh kai orize kapoio atomo to opoio efoson oloklhrone ena programa ka8otan kai espage to kefali tou sto pos na to beltistopoihsei...

Kai genikotera ayth einai kai h shmerinh xrhsh tou orou, opos anefere poio pano kai h simone...

Dhladh enas hacker einai ena atomo to opoio exei arketa eksidikeymenes gnoseis epano stous hlektronikous ypologistes kai pernaei arketo apo ton xrono tou prospa8ontas na 'ekseliksei' (xtisei) tis gnoseis tou...

Anti8eta, file intefix, oi crackers einai aytoi pou diapernoun systhmata asfalias systhmaton kai 'ta kanoun mpaxalo' genikotera...

Ara ola ayta pou les gia emena einai atopa....

Milhsa ego pou8ena gia exploits kai script kids?

Milhsa ego pou8ena sto pos mporei na 'mpei' kapoios sto computers sou?

Diabase ti proteina ston filo origin, sto proto mou post kai ean exeis diaforetikh apopsh pes thn...

Efoson 8eoreis oti den exeis apopsh sto pos kapoios mporei na apoktysei ekseidikeymenes gnoseis epano sto antikeimeno ton ypologiston (kai na ginei hacker), diabase kai isos ma8eis kati parapano...


Telospanton, gia na katalabo, opos eipes oi moderators katalaban oti h erothsh tou filou origin einai gelia kai arxisan na hronebontai ta panta?

Dhladh h simone, o origin, o Enigma kai ego eimaste gelioi pou syzhtoume tetoia 8emata etsi?

Kai etsi apofasizete na kleidosete ena topic? Epeidh den exete tipota na prosferete sthn syzhthsh?


Me arketa atoma edo mesa pou ta apopernete, exoume kanei arketa endiaferontes syzhthseis kai meso PM, email kai meso allon forums...

Krathste mia poio anoixtomyalh stash oi moderators, dioti polloi neoi xrhstes tou forum prosbalontai kai apla den ksanaerxontai...


Filika,


Christos


PS. Sto panephstimio pou spoudasa, o oros hacker einai timitikos kai dhlonei gnoseis se ba8os pano sto antikeimeno kai OXI oti sas exei taisei to hollywood tosa xronia...

Osoi asxolhste me Open Source hdh to gnorizete ayto...

Kai gia na mhn me zalisete me tis spoudes mou pali parte to URL tou tmhmatos mou:

http://www.cyber.brad.ac.uk/courses/cvw ... php?page=1

Opos blepete ola ayta pou sas anafero emeis ta SPOUDAZOUME!!! Den milame ston aera...

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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Rapid-eraser » 17 Ιουν 2003 14:07

An dev exete ora va spatalisete adika miv dabasete to parakato post
dev exei vonma !!!!!!!!!!! diabaste mono tis 5 teleftees sires ekei eivai olo to zoumi
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av prosekses egw dev milisa idika gia ta dika sou logia alla gia tnv tasi
pou epikrati va sigxeoume tous orous va kava pisteboume oti ola eivai rodiva kai apla
n apopsisou eivai sebasti kai dekti dev tnv kavei omos va eivai apodekti apo olous.
sto proigoumevo mou post epavalambavw dev apavtisa se eseva apla eipa ti 8a givei av
asxoli8ei kapios kai givei parakato sav tov mitnick eva pragma ... polla oveira exoume
kai exoume parasir8ei oloi mas ligo poli . omos n pragmatikotita eivai alli
twra av esi piavese apo tis lekseis kai pistebeis oti mporeis va doseis vonma se eva oro pou exei toso siziti8ei
apla me 5 grames protasi pou exeis davistei apo kapia biblio8iki pou kapios
idimovas meta apo poli psaksimo ka8ise kai egrapse eisai poli la8os.
mporeis va apodoseis o idios to periexomevo tis leksis hacker ?
eivai stipragmatikokita afto pou diabazeis afto pou evoei kapios ?
8a mporousa poli apla kai egw va arxiso to paste apo 20000 alla site pou
exo mprostamou gia va apodikso ta legomeva mou kai va kribome piso
apo tov titlo tis sxolis pou spoudazo kai va parousiazo mia af8evtia alla oxi
dev to ekava dev to kavw kai dev divame pote va to kavo.

pavtote ama proseksis apavto me epixirimata pes mou mia protasi pou ekaves epikodomitiki mexri twra... kai vai ka8isa kai dabasa olo to thread
priv paro meros stnv sizitisi vomizo dev eivai tou xaraktira mou va petaw
kai va aerologo.

prosekse poli otav apeu8iveis tov logo se kapiov mesa sto forum giati va exeis ipopsiv sou
oti dev apeu8ivese mono se eva atomo alla se mia omada atomov pou 8a ipostiriksouv tnv gvomi tous. ti evoo me afto sto freestuff tivoume va eimaste eva avovimo community apo atoma pou exouv gvomi kai apopsn, allote sosti kai allote ligotero sosti. otav zitisa egw va klisei to thread dev to ekava gia kaveva apolitos allo logo apo to va apofigo
flames mesa se eva thread pou dev exei kaveva apolitos sxesi me to 8ema pou avaptisei
EIMASTE MESA STO FORUM LINUX
LIPI8ITEMAS EPITELOUS

dev mporoume va avalovomaste se 8emata pou dev exouv amesi sxesi
me afto pou pragmatebete to forum. av dev mporeis va to katavoiseis afto
avoikse eva thread sto Επικαιρότητα & Διάφορες Συζητήσεις kai ksekiva sizitisi gia hackers ekei. av pistebeis oti mporeis va doseis mia or8olistiki apantisi sto erotima pou talavizei to paidi mpes sto Φιλοσοφικοί προβληματισμοί kai kave
post ekei kai pes tou otidipote filosofiko sou katebei.
Gia tov 8eo omos se parakalo miv sivexiseis va asxolise me afto to 8ema edw mesa

GIA TELEFTEA FORA EPANALAMBANO OTI TO SIGKEKRIMEVO THREAD
DEV EXEI SXESI ME LINUX.
av dev to katalabeis afto egw bgevo kai aposiro ta post mou apo to thread afto giati pistebw dev exei vomima va sizitaw gia kati pou dev mporei va to katalabei kapios

ipev8imizo pali oti dev milaw prosopika gia eseva ray apla piastika apo to telefteo apavtitiko post sou pros emeva.

Opote epavalambavw gia alli mia fora tiv simbouli/apavtisi mou:

Hacker dev givese se kamia periptosi otav pistebeis oti hacking eivai mono va kaveis oti kavei o Mitnick n opoios dipote xaraktirismevos apo allous sav hacker.
Av pistebete oti aftos pou kserei va kavei tnv zimia eivai hacker eiste poli
ekso apo tnv pragmatikotita. Hacker gia teleftea fora eivai aftos pou gvorizei
pos va kavei eva systima (nte mixaviko nte ipologistiko dev exei simasia)
va simperiferete me tropo diaforetiko apo afto pou exei kataskebastei
arxika .

Epomevos 8es va giveis hacker ? Give ti se empodizei . Dev iparxei o sostos dromos oute o la8os dromos , dev iparxei o grigoros oute o argos dromos , dev exei simasia av katafereis va kaveis tous allous va se fobouvte kai va
exeis afto pou telika 8elei ka8e evas apo aftous pou 8elouv va legovte hacker ... divami
av mporeis va simbibasteis me afti tnv pragmatikotita tote eisai se kalo dromo.
ksekiva me pragmata pou sou aresouv prosopika px sou aresouv ta ilektrovika ??? katse kseksisouv me ta ilektrovika kai give hacker ekei
ma8e va kaveis eva kikloma va kavei pragmata ta opoia dev ntav sxediasmeva... sou aresei to secutiry ? vai katse diabase gia afto .
dev eiparxi sxoli pou va leei aftos eivai o dromos tou hacker afta eivai ta
bilbia tou hacker aftos eivai o odigos tou hacker . To mono pou 8a givei
ama akolou8iseis eva tetoio odigo eivai va katalikseis evas apo tnv maza.
va giveis dld eva apo ta polla script kidies kai epalambavw dev milaw gia seva Ray mou mou apavtiseis prosopika se parakalw.

bare8ika va grafw alla exo kai kati allo va pw akoma
ta parapano ta egrapsa gia va dior8oso tis dior8oseis pou givave
mesa sto thread afto apo pollous kai kataligo sto eksis simperasma

linux != hacker
afto eivai to zoumi tis ipo8esis

(favtazomai twra 8a exete apibdisi evtelos me ola afta pou grafw
alla pistepsteme dev 8a ksavagrapw toso megalo post [pistebw])
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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Rapid-eraser » 17 Ιουν 2003 14:11

a kai oso gia to av iparxouv periodika gia to freesoftware

perase apo papasotiriou va koitakseis ti paizei

unix administrator
linux 4 all
n helug exei mia ekdosi pou tnv diavemei apo to net
n bsdgr bgazei kai afti ekdosi
iparxei to linuxkernel to periodiko to opoio to sivtasouv kapia
paidia apo tnv samo alla distixos dev exouv ta lefta va to proo8isouv
se oli tnv a8inava

kai fisika olos o ksevos tipos pou asxolite me opensource kai ftavei
stnv ellada eva karo biblia dld

pistebw bebea oti evois mono ta bliblia pou eivai grameva sta ellinika
av evois kati tetoio eivai mono 2-3 mazi me tnv hellug
av pali evoeis kai tov ksevo tipo tote file mou eisai poli ekso apo tnv pragmatikotita
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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Ray » 17 Ιουν 2003 14:33

File Rapid-eraser,

blepo oti symfonoume sto oti enas hacker einai kapoios me ba8ies gnoseis epano sto antikeimeno tou...

Opote enas mhxanikos pou spoudase 6 xronia sto panephstimio mporei na 8eorh8ei hacker, dioti exei eksidikeymenes texnikes gnoseis epano sto antikeimeno tou...

Opote mia 'eykolh' apanthsh sthn arxikh erothsh tou topic 8a mporouse na einai kai h ekshs:

Mpes se ena panephstimio kai spoudase mhxanikos ypologiston... Ti poio eksydikeymenoi apo aytous etsi?

Ara mporoume na tous 8eorhsoume hackers? (erothsh kano na anoiksoume koubenta)

Ena allo shmeio tou post sou, pou mou trabhkse thn prosoxh, einai oti den symfoneis sthn sxesh pou exoun oi hackers kai to linux...

Rikse mia matia edo:

http://www.kernel.org/

Einai to website apo opou mporeis na 'katebaseis' oles tis dia8eshmes ekdoseis tou pyrhna (kernel) tou linux...

Des sto shmeio pou anaferei ti einai to linux (What is Linux)

To parakato einai copy apo ekeinh thn paragrafo:
Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification compliance.
Opote mporoume na bgaloume to symperasma oti to linux einai to agaphmeno 'paidi' ton hackers, efoson exei 'fiaxtei' apo aytous...

Kai den enai krifo to oti ean 8eleis na asxolh8eis 'sobara' me to hacking, oti to linux einai to pleon katalylo leitourgiko gia na to kaneis...

Exeis p.x. thn periergia na deis pos doulevei to X programma, mporeis aneta na diabaseis to source code tou...

Efoson ma8eis pos leitourgei to programma, mporeis kai na to beltioseis (to hacking pou legame)...


Den ksero ean exeis diaforetikh apopsh se ayto to 8ema, alla 8a h8ela poly na thn akouso...


Filika,


Christos

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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Ray » 17 Ιουν 2003 14:43

File Rapid-eraser

eipes poio pano:
pistebw bebea oti evois mono ta bliblia pou eivai grameva sta ellinika
av evois kati tetoio eivai mono 2-3 mazi me tnv hellug
av pali evoeis kai tov ksevo tipo tote file mou eisai poli ekso apo tnv pragmatikotita
Nai enoousa ean yparxei Ellhnikos eidikos entypos typos pou na asxolhte apoklistika me linux...

Thn teleytaia ebdomada osa periptera kai na epsaksa, to mono pou ebriska htan ksena periodika kai ayta ean ta diabaseis den exoun sxesh me thn Ellhnikh pragmatikothta...

Prosopika eimai syndromiths se dyo poly kala (kata thn gnomh mou) agglika periodika, to Linux User&Developer kai to Linux Format...

H ylh tous einai korifaia kai asxolountai apo programmatismo, mexri pos ginete roll out to linux se etairies...

Edo sthn ellada, mono sto RAM eixa diabasei kapoia ar8ra (oxi poly kala) peri linux...

8a peraso apo papasothriou kai 8a psakso na bro ayta pou prothneis...


Filika,


Christos

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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από Rapid-eraser » 17 Ιουν 2003 15:11

gia alli mia fora epali8ebete afto pou eipe o cha0s
piavese apo tis lekseis kai xaveis tnv ousia

otav milisa oti to linux dev exei sxesi me tous hackers dev eipa oti
o krenel dev exei sxesi me atoma pou piramatizovte... pali me pareksigises

evoo oti epidi to proto post tou thread aftou briskete sto forum
linux evoei to paidi pou to egrapse oti 8a prepei va xrisimopiisei
kai linux gia va givei o ipertatos hacker .

twra sxetika me to av kapios perpei va exei ba8ies gvoseis gia va givei
hacker afto dev eivai to apolito. n gvosi erxete se kapiov pou to psaxvi
me tov xrono dld to sigouro eivai oti av dev exeis kapies gvoseis dev 8a
mporeseis va proxoriseis . Ta panta eivai 8ema xronou kai dev eivai teixeo oti oi perisoteroi "hacker" eivai veoi av8ropoi pou exouv tov apoiro xrovo va kavouv oti 8elouv nte eivai gia va apodiksouv oti eivai kapoioi nte giati apla tous aresei va psaxvovte. To sigouro eivai oti kapios pou exei teliosei tis spoudes tou dev eivai hacker alla exei kavei eva bima 8etiko pros se afto. hacker 8a givei otav balei kato afta pou kserei
kai psaksei kai brei tov tropo va kavei kati pou eivai kataskebasmevo va kavei mia sigkekrimevn douleia kati pou dev eivai fisiko.

va exeis ipopsiv sou oti ta perisotera "patimata" twv hacker ta ekavav asxetoi av8ropoi.
ti evoo me afto to proto bug sto login screen tou unix twra dev 8imame
akribes os alla pes unix gia va eisai mesa to brike mia ksav8ia gramateas
pou epive to kafedaki tis kai diabaze efimerida kai ksexase tov agkovatis pano sto pliktrologio stnv grami tou username patise 250 sivexomeva \ kai dimiourgise to proto buffer overfolw prokalovtas to login screen va petaksei core dump to opoio parakato kapios kalos hacker to ekmetaleftike
kai egrapse to avalogo exploit pou ekmetalebotave tnv parapano aproseksia tou dimiourgou. vai aftos eivai hacker simfono apolita
omos dev rotise kaveva pos va givei hacker . parola afta egw pou 8a parw to exploit afto kai 8a faw 500 mixavimata dev legome hacker afto eksigw egw 8a givo to paidaki tis gitovias pou efagae apla tosa mixavimata. dev mporw va agkikso oute to daxtilaki tou tipa pou egrapse afto tov kodika. ksereis kati afto pou ekmetaleftike to bug afto mporei va miv eixe spoudasei computer science stnv zoitou apla va iksere ligo c++ kai kapia pragmatakia gia memory usage kai texvikes tetoies (poli pi8avov dld apla va ntav fititis akoma o avr8opos) kai parakato meta apo poli psaksimo (va o xrovos pou elega pio priv) avakalipse kati pou legete
buffer overflow kai tnv oli ipo8esi giro apo afto ... vai aftoeivai hacker
(opos blepete avaferomai mono gia ipologistika sistimata
avtistixa 8a mporousa va brw paradigmata kai gia otidipote allo)

dev mou erxete kati allo twra
pavtos kalo 8a ntav av 8es tnv gvomimou
gia va miv givomaste kourastikoi va stamatismoume edw mesa
se 2-3 post akoma aftn tnv sizitisi giati poso blepeis dev bgazei pou8eva
kai va bre8oume euxaristos se mia kafeteria mazi me tous lipous
freestuffers kai va to avalisoume oses ores 8es to zitima :)

blepe avalisi pou epese sto meeting pou egive priv kaveva miva
me ta telxinakia gia tnv php-asp-trexagirebopoulos kai sia 8ema
opou kataliskame se koiva apodekto simperasma ...
mesa apo eva thread evos post mono erotimatika 8a afe8ouv
giati me tov grapto logo mesa apo eva forum dev exeis tov xrvo
va apodoseis ta tosa polla 8emata pou mporouv va avaptix8ouv
giro apo afto pou sizitame.

perimevo kai tnv apavtisi sou ray giati eimai sigouros oti kati 8es va peis
kai 3-4 atoma akoma kai aposiromai pavtelos apo to sigkekrimevo thread
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pos kapoios mporei na ginei hacker?

Δημοσίευση από iNDEFiX » 17 Ιουν 2003 15:24

Ray apadao se sovara atoma kai erotiseis me nohma. Btw den peiges akoma gia kafe? :)

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