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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 25 Σεπ 2003 06:04

Mhpos den 8a eprepe na yparxei enas organismos o opoios na krinei thn poiothta spoudon kai ka8hghton ta Ellhnika panephstimia????

DEN YPARXEI POU8ENA AKSIOLOGHSH STA ELLHNIKA AEI/TEI...

As arxisoume thn eka8arish ton dikon mas prota kai as afhsoume tous kahmenous tous ekso, pou den kseroun tipota apo texnologia/iatrikh klp

Kai na 8hmhso oti to DIKATSA, paranomos aksiologei ptyxeia ta opoia proerxontai apo xores melh ths EU...

To 8ema exei paei sto EU dikasthrio kai anamenontai poly orees ekselikseis apo ekei... (Hdh plhronoume arketa dis ka8e xrono, gia tis m****es tou DIKATSA kai tou TEE, lefta pou aneta 8a mporousan na do8oun se AEI kai TEI gia anaba8mish)

Tora kati allo...

Eimaste mia xora tri-mpourd***!!!

Peste mou ena panephstimiako idrima edo sthn ellada MAS pou na paragei ereyna???

Ena mono ena...

Mhpos den akousate gia ta skandala, prosfata me tous Giatrous kai tis farmakeytikes??

H moipos ti texnologia paragoume san xora re gamoto?

Kai kati akoma...

Dhladh enas apofoitos tou MIT h tou Carnaige Melon (pou eipate America) einai asxetoi apo texnologia??? (se sxesh me thn psarokostena?)

To oti o idiotikos tomeas prothmaei apofoitous ksenon idrymaton den einai ka8olou tyxaio filoi mou...

Kai akoma einai arketa DYSKOLO na apofoithseis apo ekso, sto kato kato mhn ksexnate oti diabazoume panephstimiakou epipedou ma8hmata se glossa diforetikh apo thn dikh mas!!!

To 8ema paramenei oti h 8a anaba8mistoun ta idrymata mas h se merika xronia pou erxontai ta idiotika panehstimia, 8a barane miges...


Filika,

Christos

PS Eimai arketa periergos na do, ean oi panephstimiakoi stamathsoun thn apergeia, an h kynernish tous aykhsei tous mys8ous h an 8a synexisoun mexri na kerdisoun kai thn xrhmatodotish ton AEI/TEI...

PS2 Alh8eia aytoi oi kyrioi den ntrepontai, otan episkeptontai kapoio kseno idryma (synh8os gia kapoio synedrio), apo thn organosh tous???

PS3 Prepei na afypnhstoume giati oi ksenoi mas blepoun, opos blepoume emeis tous kourdous!!!!

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Δημοσίευση από telxina » 25 Σεπ 2003 10:59

Wiwol έγραψε:to an to sistima eisagoghs einai kalo einai ena megalo kefalaio.ego prosopika pisteyo pos adikei.kai as eimai apo tous eynooumenous.

alla to na exeis spoudasei sthn amerikh kai na theleis na les sthn ellada oti eisai eidiki sthn pliroforiki einai ligo paradokso.
ephdei einai amerikh dld.

mipos prepei na pei to idio kai o apofitos apo to antistixo tmhma ths boulgarias?

to pia panepistimia einai kala kai to pio ptixio aksizei to kanonizei to dikatsa sthn ellada.etsi an exeis master apo sxolh sthn agglia pou exei kyros pros to dikatsa sou anagnorizontai ola.
exei logikh ayto.yparxei armodia yphresia gia tis spoudes sthn allodaph.

tora pos douleyei to sistima ayto einai kai ayto megalo kefalaio.


prosopika pisteyo omos oti ikseres tous kanones kai ``epaikses``.
einai diagonismos...allos kerdizei allos xanei.
File Wiwol, diafono kathetos!
Gia to elliniko kratos imouna aristi mathitria epi dodekaetias, alla epidi den mporousa na matho to koma ke tin teleia tis istorias egina anikani na eisaxtho se panepistimio? Parolo pou ixera olo to noima apexo ke anakatota? I mipos eimoun anikani epidi egrapsa stin tote Politiki Oikonomia 13, pernontas to 100% apo tis askiseis ke xanontas to 7 tis theorias epidi den itan grammeni aftolexi? Ke pos tis elisa tis askiseis? Me ti thia epifitisi?
Ke ego ke o filtatos apo tin arizona pou thelame na spoudasoume ke strafikame sto exoteriko, epidi afto to exoteriko itan ameriki den spoudasame? Ke ti kaname tosa xronia? Mprikia kolagame?
ke afto to ilithio to Dikatsa ke to eliniko kratos, me pia dikeologia theoroun emas apofitous likeiou mono? Me tin idia pou dosane se filo mou pou spoudase paidagogiki stin Italia ke den tou anagnorizoun to ptixio? I me afti pou perasan tosous kompogianites giatrous apo xena panepistimia?
Ama theloun na krinoun tin feregiotita ton ptixion, as kanoun enan organismo pou na dexete panepistimia vasi piotitas ke programatos (ta legomena Associations tou exoterikou) ke opio panepistimio plirei tis proipotheseis na exei aftomati anagnorisi ptixiou.
Mi mou milate gia eliniko dimosio kai dikatsa giati oso skeftome oti prepei na kano metaptixiako gia na apodixo ta aftonoita, me pianei ena kati.

Oso gia tous kanones... ne tous xeroume oloi. Ke diafonoume kathetos. Gia afto fonazoume toso kero gia na tous alaxoun! :hammer:

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Δημοσίευση από Wiwol » 26 Σεπ 2003 11:55

apo ola ayta pou diabazo.....blepo erxesai sta logia mou.

kai ego eipa oti to olo systhma den einai katholou kalo.kai yparxoun ontos adikies opos aytes pou anafereis.

to sigouro einai omos oti to kathe systhma allous boleyei kai allous oxi.

parola ayta yparxei ena aksiokratiko metro.kai se olous dinontai ises eykairies.to ``paixnidi`` den krybei pagides.px.ikeres oti tha doseis 7 monades theoria sta mathima pou anafereis.isos eprepe na doseis kai ekei emfash.oso gia ta ypoloipa pou anafereis....eimaste se metabatiko stadio kai tha alaksoun polla sta prosexh xronia.

telos to dikatsa exei ginei ta teleytaia xronia pio aytshro...kai ayto einai sosto.

prosopika pisteyo prepei na apofeygoume san kratos tis spoudes sto eksoteriko.kai ayto to exoun katalabei polloi kai ginete praksh siga siga.

ta ellinika panepistimia prosarmozontai sta ellinika dedomena.polla panepistimia exoun ypograpsei synergasies me megales ephxhrhseis.distixos omos san xora me liges protes yles....tinoume perissotero na kataksiothoume san epistimones...kai oxi san paragogoi.
ayto dikaiologei kai to megalo arithmo eisakteon se aei-tei.

gia ton filo REY na ton pliroforiso pos gia polla themata exoume anaptiksh texnologia aixmhs...thn opoia den mporoume na efarmosoume...giati gia paradeigma den exoume ena doryfo kataskeyhs foto-tranzistor.opote anagozamaste na dinoume thn texnognosia mas....kati pou den einai anagaio gia tous amerikanous sigoura.gia ayto kai fenetai na eimaste piso.

panta filika. :hammer:

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Δημοσίευση από telxina » 26 Σεπ 2003 12:50

Agapite wiwol,

oi kanones tou pexnidiou einai lathos. Afto leme ke fonazoume. To 96 pou edosa ego exetaseis gia na mpo sta AEI eprepe na papagaliso 300 selides istorias ke ales toses politikis oikonomias. Papagalizo xereis ti simenei? Oti antigrafo aftolexi to vivlio. Me to koma, tin teleia ton tono.
Ego lipon anti na grapso oti "O Kolokotronis itan enas apo tous protergates tis elinikis epanastasis tou 1821." egrafa "Apo tous protergates tis elinikis epanastasis tou 1821 ipirxe o Kolokotronis." Apedida pliros to noima ton keimenon apla den papagaliza. Ke afto theorountan sfalma! Tin ikanotita tou papagalou i tin exeis i den tin exeis. Ke ego os anthropos tis praxis den tin ixa. Xero omos poli kala tin eliniki istoria, giati afto pou diavaza prota to katalavena ke meta prospathousa na to apodoso. Oloi aftoi pou mpikan sto panepistimio tin xeroun?
I thes na sou anafero gia filo mou pou spoudaze pliroforiki se AEI ke amfivalo an xerei akomi ti einai ta diktia. (Kati pou an ke exo eidikefsi ston programatismo xero se arketa ikanopiitiko vathmo.)

I elliniki pedia sucks agapite mou. Ke oso iparxoun anthropoi pou simvivazonte me aftin tin katastasi, epidi perasan (se mia sxoli pou den ithelan sinithos), toso tha sinexizete afto. Ego oti itan na kano to ekana. Tha tous koliso ke to metaptixiako sti mouri ke ola kala. Anarotieme omos ti katastasi tha vroun oi epomenoi... :hammer:

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 27 Σεπ 2003 07:44

File Wiwol,

Exo zhsei thn ellhnikh panephstimiakh pedia, sto panephstimio ths Patras, opou perasa san mhxanikos ypologiston...

Kai epishs exo zhsei to panephstimio A8hnon, meso ths syntrofou mou, ta teleytaia 5 xronia pou eimaste mazi (tora teleionei to didaktoriko ths)...

To oti efyga ekso, htan ka8ara dikh mou epilogh, kai opos blepo sthn zoh mou me dikaiose apolyta...

Ama exeis diabasei ola mou ta post epano se 8emata pedias genikotera, anafero oti prepei epitelous ta AEI kai ta TEi mas, na anaba8mistoun AMESA!!!

Alh8eia exeis empeiria apo panephstimio tou eksoterikou? Me ka8hghtes pou endiaferontai, me terasties biblio8hkes, me foithtikes organoseis panysxires, me organomena ergastiria,me , me ,me....

Ayto 8elo na kanei kai h xora mou, na dosei sta paidia mas ises eykairies me ta paidia ton aneptygmenon xoron!

Tora sthn Ellada tou 2004, mono to 5% ton ka8hghton, agapaei ayto pou kanei, oi ypoloipoi agapane thn monimothta kai thn karekla...

Akoma 8ymame ta skandala, opou eixan xa8ei dekades disekatomyria, gia akora tzakouzi kai loipoin asxeton antikeimenon... :D

Akoma perimeno na mou peis panephstimia pou paragoun ereyna, kai oxi panephstimia pou ta pernoun apo thn EU kai ta dinoun se emas tis etaireies na teleiosoume ta erga!! (exo merika paradeigmata na anafero ean endiaferese...)

Ksanatonizo oti to systhma mas PREPEI na ksanasxediastei, dioti se merika xronia oi apofhtoi mas, den 8a mporoun na synagonistoun tous ekso...

Kai me thn apeley8erosh ton synoron, 8a gemisoume ksenous eidikous... :wink:


Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από Wiwol » 27 Σεπ 2003 19:37

den pisteyo na yparxei atomo mhxanikos ypologiston h pliroforikis h na spoudazei kati tou kladou....na endiaferetai gia thn sxolh tou kai na mhn kserei ti einai diktio H/Y.

anafero to sigkekrimeno pou eipe h texnina gia na po oti an yparxei h ``anysixia`` tou fititoi tote tha brei sigoura antikrisma se kapion kathigiti.

den ftaine mono oi kathigites kai oi dioikitikoi....ftaine kai oi fitites gia thn olh katastash.kai gia mena isos aytoi ftaine perissotero apo olous!

exo empeiria apo kseno panepistimio.aki ontos se organotiko epipedo einai nyxta me thn mera.einai omos pisteyo kai thema nootropias ton anthropon.allos laos oi ellines.
isos katalabete ti enoo an deite ta unis tis italias pou miazoun me ta dika mas....opos miazei kai o tropos zois mas.

oso gia to yparxon sistima....den anabathmizetai apo thn mia mera sthn allh.ginontai allages.OXI PEIRAMATA.simantiko ayto.akolouthoume dokimazmenes lyseis tou eksoterikou.kai tha feroun apotelesmata.apla eimaste polly piso.

opos eipe h texnina tha parei to metaptixiako tis kai tha einai ayto pou ``eprepe`` na einai....kai as xrhazstike na parei dyskolo dromo.to simantiko einai pos kataferes ayto pou itheles.etsi prepei na skeftontai kai aytoi pou erxontai meta apo emas.

isos htan kalytero gia sena h olh istoria texnina.to skeftikes pote etsi?

oso gia to teleytaio sxolio tou rey......mallon oi tou eksoterikou prepei na prosexoun giati oi ellines arxizoun na anebenoun.

px.xthes diabasa se ena arthro oti h intracom tha promitheysei dsp kai merikous dc-dc H/Z se etairia kinitis sthn tailandi kai india.
endeiktika.

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 28 Σεπ 2003 07:41

File Wiwol,

8elo na kano kapoia sxolia pano se ayta pou grafeis:

Wiwol
den pisteyo na yparxei atomo mhxanikos ypologiston h pliroforikis h na spoudazei kati tou kladou....na endiaferetai gia thn sxolh tou kai na mhn kserei ti einai diktio H/Y.
Yparxoun kai para poloi malista... Ena arketa sebasto poso apo ta eisodhmata mou, proerxete apo ergasies/ptyxiakes foithton...

Malista mhlame gia toso organomena panephstimia, pou se mia periptosh, to paidi edose thn ergasia pou ekana se kapoion filo tou, gia na parei mia idea, kai o typos apla allakse to onoma tou kai thn paredose aytousia... Perito na anafero oti perasan kai oi dyo to ma8hma...

Bebaia to fainomeno ayto, den parathrhte mono se sxoles plhroforikhs etsi... Einai (sxedon) se oles tis sxoles....

Wiwol
anafero to sigkekrimeno pou eipe h texnina gia na po oti an yparxei h ``anysixia`` tou fititoi tote tha brei sigoura antikrisma se kapion kathigiti.
Katarxhn 8a prepei na brei ton ka8hghth pou kanei to ma8hma, prota... :D

Ena allo fainomeno pou parathreite, einai oti synh8os tis dialekseis tis kanoun boh8oi (p.x. foithtes didaktorikon), opote psakse bres...

Kai oso kai anyshxos na einai o foithths, einai tetoia h sapila tou systhmatos, pou yparxei megalos kindynos na xasei teleios to endiaferon tou...

Wiwol
den ftaine mono oi kathigites kai oi dioikitikoi....ftaine kai oi fitites gia thn olh katastash.kai gia mena isos aytoi ftaine perissotero apo olous!
Pano apo ola ftaiei h politikh ths ekastote kybernhshs!!! Mhn to ksexnas ayto... Ta paidia kanoun kai ayta oti mporoun gia na allaksei ayth h katastash, alla mataia pros to paron...

Parakato anafereis:

Wiwol
exo empeiria apo kseno panepistimio.aki ontos se organotiko epipedo einai nyxta me thn mera.einai omos pisteyo kai thema nootropias ton anthropon.allos laos oi ellines.
isos katalabete ti enoo an deite ta unis tis italias pou miazoun me ta dika mas....opos miazei kai o tropos zois mas.

oso gia to yparxon sistima....den anabathmizetai apo thn mia mera sthn allh.ginontai allages.OXI PEIRAMATA.simantiko ayto.akolouthoume dokimazmenes lyseis tou eksoterikou.kai tha feroun apotelesmata.apla eimaste polly piso.
Efoson loipon exeis empeiria apo ksena panephstimia, kai efoson dexese oti kai ta dika mas prepei na akolou8hsoun ta protypa ton ksenon panephstimion, giati den dexese oti h poiothta ton spoudon ekso einai safos kalyterh apo aythn ths Elladas?

Kai telos:
Wiwol
oso gia to teleytaio sxolio tou rey......mallon oi tou eksoterikou prepei na prosexoun giati oi ellines arxizoun na anebenoun.

px.xthes diabasa se ena arthro oti h intracom tha promitheysei dsp kai merikous dc-dc H/Z se etairia kinitis sthn tailandi kai india.
endeiktika.
An h intracom, pou ferneis san paradeigma, den eixe ta symbolaia me to dhmosio, den 8a yphrxe kan sta xartia...

Kai sto kato kato, logo intracom kai OTE, akoma sthn Ellada, eimaste 100ades xronia piso se 8emata internet...

Tora an epeidh h intracom, logo axrhstias, kleinei symbolaia me tritokosmikes xores, ayto to katalabaino, exo hdh allaksei 2 netmode, pou sto kato kato einai apla ena ISDN modem...

8elo na po oti symfono apolyta me ayta pou leei h telxina, kai oti prepei na skefteis sobara ta ths Ellhnikhs Pedias...

Kai akoma perimeno na mou anafereis kana Ellhna pou phre Nobel h analogh diakrish, h esto pou na grafthke oti paragei symantikh ereyna, epano se kapoio 8ema...

Sygnomh gia to mege8os tou post...

Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από Wiwol » 28 Σεπ 2003 23:38

isos re file xristo na mhn mporei o graptos logos na sou metaferei to noima apo ayta pou leo.

gia na mhn ksanagrafo.

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milao gia fitites pou endiaferontai sto antikeimeno tis sxolhs....kai oxi apla na bgaloun thn sxolh sthn opia fitoun

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stin sxolh pou fito se kathe mathima eksairomenou tou enos symbainei to antitheto. kathigitis einai apiko panta.kai malista sthn paramikri erotisi panta tyxaina prothimis apantiseos.

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oloi ftaine.alos polly alos ligo.


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anafero rita:einai nyxta me thn mera se organotiko epipedo!!!!
den eipa oti einai anotera se poiotita spoudon

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den ftaei i intracom ephdei esy den exeis dsl spiti tzampa tora.
ftaei h ellinikh oikonomia.h opia den exei tis baseis gia tetiou eidous ependisy..thn stigmh malista pou to 80% mias tetias ependisis tha paei se paragontes tou eksoterikou.exeis idea poso kostizei to metro tis optikis inas sthn agglia kai poso edo?einai ekeina ta peri texnologias aixmhs pou legame.

kane ligh ypomonh....sikothike o hellas sat...egine to kalodio tis alcatel me thn italia....meta tous olympiakous to bandwith tha anebei sta ypsh.

kai oti h intracom pairnei symbolaia tou dimosiou einai polly thetiko.gia to kalo tis oikonomias mas den prepei na dinoume se ksenes etairies douleies.opos kai prepei na exoume mia aneksartisia.na mhn xrhazomaste tin texnognosia ton ksenon.na efarmozoume thn diki mas.

filika.

kai leo na mhn dosoume synexeia.anoigoume synexos nea themata.

fisika tha diabaso thn epomenh apantisi sou.den tha thn apantiso omos.

Stathis.


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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 29 Σεπ 2003 14:03

File Wiwol,

Elpizo h syzhthsh mas na synexistei, dioti mesa apo ton dialogo bgazei kaneis xrhsima symperasmata kai oxi apla legontas apanta esy, ego se grago ekei pou den pianei melani...

Mhn ksexnas oti edo einai ena forum kai ayta pou syzhtame ta diabazoun kai arketoi alloi, pou isos den 8eloun na paremboun...

Loipon oson afora ta legomena sou tora,

Synexizeis na apofeygeis na apanthseis se 8emata pou aforoun thn ereyna sta Ellhnika idrymata, eite ayta einai AEI eite einai TEI, giati arage, mhpos den exeis kati na mas peis?

Synexizo kai leo oti, opos poly sosta anafere h telxina poio pano, oti to systhma eisagoghs mas se panephstimio, einai toulaxiston aparadekto! Ayto exei os apotelesma pola paidia na mhn pernoun sthn sxolh pou agapane, gia ayto parathrhte to fainomeno tou aioniou foithth, pou paraphptontos isxyei mono sthn Ellada!

8a htan xrhsimo epishs, na mas anafereis thn sxolh opou foiths, etsi oste na paroume kai mia deyterh gnomh apo allous filous, gia ta legomena sou..

Tora sxetika me to poios ftaiei gia ta ths Ellhnikhs pedeias, ayta sigoura DEN einai ta paidia!! Ta paidia (kai oi goneis) anagkazontai na palepsoun me ena systhma, to opoio den sxediasthke se kamoia periptosh me gnomona na boh8hsei to atomo na parei tis aparethtes gnoseis! Oti ginete, ginete ka8ara apo thn prosopikh prospa8eia tou foithth, o opoios den exei boh8eia sxedon apo kanena sto systhma...

O monos pou ftaiei einai h politikh pou akolou8ei h ekastote kybernhsh!

Sxetika me to an einai anotera ta ekso me ta mesa, eisai poly ma poly ba8ia nyxtomenos file mou! Yparxei arages ena idryma ellhniko, to opoio einai toso gnosto sta pagkosmia oso to MIT p.x. ???

Kai sto kato kato, POS mporeis na milas gia anoterh poiothta spoudon sta Ellhnika AEI, ENO DEN YPARXEI AKSIOLOGHSH POIOTHTAS SPOUDON KAI KA8HGHTON STHN ELLADA, RE GAMOTO????

Tora sxetika me ta alla pou les, peri Intracom kai mpla mpla, ekei einai pou den exeis IDEA!!

Ante mia bolta apo to adslgr.com, des to forum, diabase apopseis apo xiliades atoma, kai ta ksanaleme... Apla gia na sou epishmato to poso shmantiko einai to site pou sou edosa, xarh stia diamartiries ayton ton an8ropon, yparxei ADSL (esto kai sthn katastash pou einai) sthn ellada shmera!!!

Ego san foithths eixa sthn estia mou 1024kbps grammh, me kostos 150 eyro ton xrono...

O Hellas Sat, einai KYPRIAKOS, apo ton opoio noikiazoume yphresies, kyrios gia na kalyf8oun oi anagkes ton Olympiakon Agonon...

Exo na sou doso mia symboulh,

Teleiose me to kalo tis spoudes sou kai otan 8a er8ei h polypo8hth ora tou biografikou kai tou interview, 8a me 8ymh8eis...


Pantos 8a h8ala na synexistei h koubentoula pou exoume, kai 8a h8ela na akouso tis apopseis sou peretero, eidika sto 8ema tou panephstimiou sou... Dhladh, ti parapona exeis, ti allo 8a h8eles apo tous ka8hghtes kai klp...

To oti yparxei problhma pistevo na to dexese, tora apo ekei kai pera as syzhthsoume ta problhmata kai ti mporei na ginei gia na epily8oun...


Filika,

Christos

P.S. Sygnomh ean parafer8hka kapou, apla kapoies fores aganakto gia to mpaxalo pou yparxei sthn Xora mas!!

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Δημοσίευση από greek_manager » 29 Σεπ 2003 14:46

Εικόνα

Κάτι μικρό να βοηθήσει τη συζήτησή σας! :wink:

Κοιτάξτε ποιος είναι 4ος στη λίστα...
Επίσης 53ος. + 54ος ...

Για την κατάσταση στα ελληνικά πανεπιστήμια δεν φταίνε μόνο οι καθηγητές και το κράτος.Φταίει σε μεγάλο ποσοστό και η νοοτροπία του έλληνα φοιτητή... (αλλα ας μην επεκταθώ καλύτερα)


Πηγή: ΤΟ ΒΗΜΑ (περισυνό σε ανύποπτη στιγμή-όχι τωρινό, ώστε να πει κάποιος με δόλο ότι είναι δημοσίευμα συμφερόντων)
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Δημοσίευση από xarisss » 29 Σεπ 2003 16:15

kala re paidia, ftasame sto simeio na leme oti den kanoun erevna ta ellinika panepistimia??????? an einai dinaton....

i ellada den exei 250 panepistimia opos i agglia.. exei panepistimiaka idrimata, ta opoia kai istoria exoun kai poli pio prosegmena einai apo polla evropaika.. afto gia osous pistevoun oti einai xamilo to epipedo ton ellinikon panepistimion..

min ta isopedonoume ola...
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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 29 Σεπ 2003 19:22

File greek_manager,

Einai gegonos pos sta perisotera panephstimia tou eksoterikou h ereyna synh8os xrhmatodothte apo idiotikes epixhrhseis...

Diabasa me prosoxh ta ar8ra pou ebales poio pano kai exo na kano mia parathrhsh...

Ayta ta stoixeia pou para8etontai apo pou proerxontai? Kai ayto to leo oxi dioti eimai dispistos gia thn aksiopistia tous, alla gia na doume ta kritiria me ta opoia dialegontai ta diafora ereynitika kentra...

Dhladh to CERN, den einai ereynitiko kentro h to Caimbridge h to Harvard den paragoun ereynitiko ergo?

To leo ayto dioti h ereyna ginete synh8os apo foithtes ereynas, dhladh apo foithtes metaptyxiakou h didaktorikou programmatos. Mia grhgorh matia sta Ellhnika idrymata mas deixnei oti yparxoun apelpistika liges 8eseis metaptyxiakon kai akoma poio liges didaktorikon, foithton... (ara kai ligoteroi an8ropoi na kanoun ereyna?)

Ena allo komataki, to poio sobaro, einai kai to ekshs kai einai apo prosopikh mou empeiria:

Kapoio idryma analambanei ena kommati ereynas (me xrhmatodothsh apo kapoio programma ths EU), to opoio den einai se 8esh na ferei se peras. Erxontai loipon se etaireies, oi opoies enanti adras amoibhs (synh8os to 90% tou proypologismou tou ergou) oi opoies feroun se peras to ergo... Kanoume thn meleth kai apla bazei o ka8hghths thn ypografh tou, pernoun kai kana dyo to didaktoriko tous kai ola oraia...

Ean ginei kapoio meeting tou freestuff, mporo na fero kai stoixeia pou na apodiknioun ta legomena mou...

Ayto bebaia den shmainei oti ayth h me8odos einai to katesthmeno etsi.. Pros 8eou!!

Apla elpizo ta pragmata na allaksoun pros to kalytero, oso to dynaton poio syntoma...

Oson afora giati ftaine oi foithtes, 8a h8ela na to anaptykseis ligaki, ean exeis ligo xrono kai oreksh bebaia... :D (me exei piasei parla opos blepeis :D )


Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από Wiwol » 29 Σεπ 2003 22:42

apo nomothetikis apopseos kai mono ta TEI tis xoras mas DEN kanoun ereynitika oprogrammata.den yparxei kondilio gia ereynes kai gia ayto ton logo ksesikonontai oi kathigites tous.(den peftei xrima...gia na fane xrima)

leo kai ksanaleo file rey oti prepei na deis pio genika ta pragmata.
esy eipes pos tis ereynes sta agglika panepistimia xrhmatodotountai apo etairies.to idio simbainei kai edo....(px i intracom syergazetai me emas) alla den aposkopoun se texnologikes kainotomies....alla pio polly se eksipiretisi emporikon skopon epidei mia nea texnologia xrhazetai megala kondilia gia na dokimastei kai na mpei se grammh paragoghs.kai ephdei eimaste ``ftoxh`` h mikri xora...den simferei h pros ta ekei ereyna.

eimai hlektrologos mhxanikos sto apth.
ton martiop hmoun sth cebit.ekei eida enan typako na kanei mia dialiksh ek merous enos agglikou panepistimio kai enan algorthmo pou an thimame kala ton onomaze orbit...h kapos etsi.
einai enas algorthmos pou kanei thn douleia tou FFT.sigoura me kapia parapano pleonektimata.anamesa stous 5 ereynites pou asxolithikan me thn ylopoihsh tou ekpliktos akousa 4 ellinika onomata!!
sto periptero lithouanikis etairias paragoghs wifi sistimaton eida texniko symboulo ellina.

yparxoun oi ellines.kai tha simfoniso me ton greekmanager oti ftaiei kai h nootropia ton ellinon fititon.h esto h paradosh pou akolothoun.

to oti den ithela na apantiso den shmainei oti se grafo.to antitheto.eipa pos tha diabaso thn apantisi sou...afhnontas sou to teleytaio logo.etsi einai eygeniko pisteyo.

episis exo apopsh gia ta ellinika aei giati ta teleytai 5 xronia pernao ores ekei mesa.kai milisa gia pioitita .... den sigrina spoudes edo kai agglia.
apla eipa pos kai edo exoume dynates spoudes.

gia to thema dsl......epimeno oti den ftaine oi etairies.les na mporousan na dosoun kai na mhn edeinan?(eksairesh einai to gegonos tis akophs ependisis ote se isdn...alla den mporei na dikaiologisei to olo thema)

kamia etairia den kanei piso an mia ependisi prokeite na tis ferei xrhmata sto tameio tis.
apla eimaste kai ligo kompleksikoi.giati aytos(agglos ) kai oxi ego.


telos thelo na parotreino na skeftestai san syniolo kai oxi san atomo.

filika.
signomh gia tin ektash.

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Δημοσίευση από Ray » 30 Σεπ 2003 11:28

Parakato para8eto merika ar8ra apo gnostes efhmerides, etsi oste na parete mia idea apo to mpaxalo pou epikratei...

O skopos mou einai na doso mia synexia sthn syzhthsh mas kai oxi na antikrouso ayta pou lete...

Loipon deite ta parakato links:

(i) Ka8hmerinh - Teleytaioi stis nees texnologies

http://www.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_arti ... 2003_65252

(ii) Ka8hmerinh - Ekpaideyoume ta paidia mas gia ton Troxo ths Tyxhs

http://www.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_arti ... 2003_65254

(iii) Eley8erotypia - 6 stous 10, Analfabitoi Hlektronika

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_p1_tex ... d=30401920

(iv) Ta Nea - Paranomes Eggrafes sthn Panteio

http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nsearch. ... m=N01&aa=0

(v) Ta Nea - Metaptyxiaka Triths Genias

http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nsearch. ... m=N18&aa=1

(vi) Ta Nea - Aixmes (poly sobaro ayto)

http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nsearch. ... m=N69&aa=2

(vii) Ta Nea - Syntagmatikh h anotatopoihsh ton TEI (pali poly sobaro 8ema)

http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nsearch. ... m=N10&aa=2

(viii) Eley8erotypia - Anataraxh kai sta TEI (sxetika me metptyxiaka se TEI)

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_hprint ... d=58476140

(ix) Eleyterotypia - Me aksiologhsh h xrhmatodotish se AEI

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_hprint ... d=88610004

(x) Eleyterotypia - Ka8e poli kai AEI ka8e xorio me TEI (eidika edo antidroun oi Panephstimiakoi!!!)

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_hprint ... d=98389892



Ayta einai merika apo ta ekatontades ar8ra gia to mpaxalo pou epikratei...

As ksekinhsoume thn koubenta apo thn arxh kai mhn mou lete emena na skeftomai ta pragmata diaforetika, eimaste ena mpaxalo kai ayto prepei na allaksei!!!


Sygnomh gia to mege8os tou post, paides...


Filika,

Christos

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Δημοσίευση από Wiwol » 01 Οκτ 2003 22:47

signomh file rey alla logo elipsis xronou den tha mporeso na diabaso ta arthra pou paratheteis.
pira mia idea apo ths thematologies omos.

pali pisteyo pos pantoy yparxei kai h kakh pleyra.kai sto eksoteriko yparxoun analoga athra.mhn meneis sta trantaxta onomata ton agglikon panepistimion.sth agglia yparxoun kai panepistimia tou kolou.to ksero apo proto xeri.

thelo na se rotiso....

giati pisteyeis enas neos prepei na synexhsei se panepistimiakes spoudes??

giati na mpei se ayto to ``mpaxalo``??

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